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- What is a DNA Surname Project?
Includes "Confused about chromosomes?"
- What are the Project Objectives?
- Is it a blood test?
- Do I have to go to a lab? Is this a
paternity test?
- How much does it cost?
- What is a marker?
- Should I take the 12, 25, or 37 marker
test?
- Can I participate if I am a female?..Can
I participate if I am a male with a different surname?
- What about privacy?
- Will we get to know who everybody
is? Can we contact them?
- What about other testing companies?
- Why do different companies offer different
marker tests?
- What else should I know?
- I want to do it. What do I do next?
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Answers to FAQs |
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1.
What is a DNA Surname Project? |
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A DNA surname project involves
the Y chromosome testing of males who share the same surname; only
males have a Y chromosome. For hundreds of years the Y chromosome
has been passed from father to son unchanged except for very infrequent
mutations. The test result is a series of numbers, called a haplotype
(see *END NOTE ) By comparing your numbers to
others with your surname you can determine with a high degree of probability
if you share a common ancestor; the results do
not tell you exactly how you are related. A
single test is useless - it must be compared to others carrying
the same surname and used in conjunction with traditional research
(e.g., pedigree/ancestor chart, etc.). In addition to testing, we
need information (e.g., pedigree chart) on each participant's line
of descent from the earliest known male ancestor. This helps to identify
the various unconnected links. |
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Confused
about chromosomes?
Chromosomes are packages of DNA. At conception the mother's egg provides
23 chromosomes and the father's sperm provides 23 chromosomes. This
results in an embryo with 23 sets of chromosomes (for a total of 46
chromosomes). Thus, half the DNA is from each parent. The first 22
sets of chromosomes are called autosomes and contain almost all of
the DNA information. There are two different types of sex chromosomes
in the 23rd set - called X and Y. The mother can only contribute an
X. The father can contribute an X or a Y. If he contributes an X,
the child is a female (XX). If he contributes a Y, the child is a
male (XY). That is why only the DNA of males can be used in a surname
study. Only males have a Y - that is what makes them males. The male
participant needs to carry the study's surname because it is assumed
he received that Y from a father with the same surname. If there are
any known (or unknown) adoptions or other "non-paternal events"
and the biological father had a different surname, the Y is not going
to match others in the surname project (but could match someone in
another surname project).
Note: About half
our participants are females, or males with a different surname,
who found a relative whose DNA will work. See below Can
I participate if I am a female - or a male with a different surname?
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2.
What are the Project Objectives? |
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Most surname projects begin
with the objective to identify others who are related; throughout
the project the other objectives are achieved simply as a result of
the project.
- Identify others who are related [It will not tell you exactly
how you are related]
- Prove or disprove theories regarding ancestors [Results may
help you focus your research]
- Solve brick walls in your research
- Determine a location for further research
- Validate existing research
- Develop a DNA database for future researchers [If we don't find
our answers now, perhaps our descendants will]
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3.
Is it a blood test? Do I have to go to a lab? |
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No. It is a buccal test (sounds like buckle).
You take the test at home. The sample is obtained by "scraping"
the inside of the cheek. I tried it and it is painless; it felt like
rubbing the inside of the cheek with the edge of a spoon. You take
one sample and put it in a little vial of "soapy" solution;
you take another sample at least 8 hours later. The kit includes instructions
(read them all the way through first!), two "scrapers,"
two vials of "soapy" solution, a release form, and a return
envelope (requires two postage stamps). |
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4.
Is this a paternity test? |
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No. A Y-DNA test only looks at the Y chromosome
(one of 23 chromosomes that a man has). A paternity test does not
look at the Y; it looks at the other 22 which recombine in each generation.
The Y does not recombine which is why it can be so successfully used
for male direct line descent genealogy. |
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5.
How much does it cost? |
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There is a special rate for group projects
offering substantial savings. A group projects is coordinated by a
Group Administrator (as a labor of love, there are no "kickbacks"
to the administrator or anyone else involved in the project). The
below chart is current as of February 2004: |
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The below is current as of May 2006
Black - current product/price
Blue - previous product/price
Brown - current group rate price for Y and mtDNA tests (mtDNA is not used in surname studies but some participants also want that test; contact admin. for more information)
( ) all colors - Non-group price |
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GROUP RATE
(Non group rate) |
MAILING FEE |
UPGRADES
(testing for more markers) |
12 Markers
Y-DNA12 |
$99 ($149)
(Genographic transfers, see Note**)
was $99 ($159)
Y-DNA12+mtDNA
$199 ($229) |
$2 U.S. orders
$4 Foreign orders
[no change]
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Group rates:
12 to 25 - $49
12 to 37 - $99
12 to 67 - $189
25 to 37 - $49
25 to 67 - $148
37 to 67 - $99
(was)
12 to 25 - $90
25 to 37 - $59
12 to 37 -$149
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25 Markers
Y-DNA25 |
$148 Only available to group projects
was $169 ($229) |
37 Markers
Y-DNA37 |
$189 ($259)
was $219 ($289)
Y-DNA37+mtDNAPlus $339 ($389) |
67 Markers
Y-DNA67 |
$269 ($349)
new
Y-DNA67+mtDNAPlus $409 ($489) |
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SuperDNA-YDNA67 +full mtDNA sequence $764 |
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| **Note to National Geographic Genographic Project Participants: You have already have the results of the 12 marker test. |
Foreign orders:
Mailing fee is $4 for domestic first class mail. Prices are in US $. Payment may be in US $ denominated check or credit card. You may need to complete a Customs Declaration form when you return your test kit. FTDNA recommends that you put "genealogy swabs" on the form. The time for the kit to arrive back at FTDNA will depend on your country, the route the package takes through customs, and Homeland Security. |
New! Family Tree DNA has a multilingual site in Europe. With links to information in. Deutsch, Francais, Espanol, and Italiano. Check it out. But for now, don’t order through that site until I have the group project procedures (and group rate) details worked out. (G.K.Bopp 13 Dec 2006)
http://www.familytreedna.ch/ |
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6.
What is a marker? |
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A marker is a location on the Y chromosome
that may be tested for genetic genealogy. These locations, or markers,
have names, such as DYS #19 or DYS #385a or DYS #439. When a marker
is tested, the result is reduced to a number, which represents the
number of repeated patterns in the DNA at a specific location on the
Y chromosome. |
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7.
Should I take the 12, 25, or 37 marker test? |
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The more markers, the better. If you can
afford it, order the 37 or the 25 marker test. If not, you may wish
to start with the 12 marker test. If you get a match, you will mostly
likely want to upgrade to 25 or 37 markers for an additional charge
(see remarks in the above chart).
If you share the same surname (or variation)
and match another person's result on the 12 marker test, it is likely
you share a common ancestor. Of course, if you have a paper trail
to a line with an established DNA signature you already know who the
common ancestor is. If you do not have a trail, the MRCA (most recent
common ancestor) may have been in recent generations or may have lived
1,500 years ago. If there is a perfect match on the 25 marker tests,
there is a 50% probability that your MRCA was no longer than 7 generations
ago. The statistical probabilities vary depending on results. Update:
We now know that some participants have a "common haplotype"
- they match many people with different surnames. In these cases,
more than 12 markers are needed to make a determination about relationship
to others in the study. |
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8.
Can I participate if I am a female?
Can I participate
if I am a male with a different surname? |
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We can not use your DNA in this study. But
you may have a qualified family member (male carrying the surname).
For example, I am a female using my father's DNA. Other female family
historians/researchers are using a brother, cousin, or uncle (male
researchers are using a cousin or uncle). If no there is no longer
a qualified male in your line, you may choose to donate towards the
testing of a qualified male who descends from a line of interest to
you (someone who is willing but cannot afford the test). |
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9.
What about privacy? |
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Your privacy is protected by both the company
processing the tests and by your group administrator. Your surname variation, and in some cases initials, will appear on our web site (see results table) if this is a concern, that presentation can be modified. More on privacy. |
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10.
Will we get to know who everybody is? Can we contact them? |
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When there is a match, FTDNA sends automatic
emails to anyone with a close match (assuming you, and they, signed
the release form). Their names and emails appear on your personal
pages at FTDNA. If you change your Email, be
sure you change it at FTDNA (and notify me, your Project Administrator).
I also post general updates (but don't name names) to our web site
and to the various surname lists on RootsWeb (many of the participants
belong to these lists). I am in frequent communication with most participants.
However, if something unexpected happened to me - remember that everything
you need is at your personal pages at FTNDA. |
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11.
What about other testing companies? |
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If your surname has an established surname
project, it is to your advantage to test with the same company. Our
study uses FTDNA, but if you have already tested with a different
company (or do not wish to use FTDNA), you can still be part of the
project. If you provide your results, I'll include them on the web
site. If you test elsewhere, be sure you order a Y STR chromosome
test (preferably 25 or more markers) and not one of the other type
of DNA tests that are available. Not all companies test the same DYS
numbers but you will still be able to compare your results (see number
12). |
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12.
Why do different companies offer different marker tests? |
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At this time, no one company offers testing
on all currently known markers. The several markers tested by all
companies are those for which testing protocols have been available
for the longest period of time (but that does not necessarily mean
they are the "most important" markers). After a scientist
(usually in a government funded research lab) discovers a new marker
and is granted a new DYS number, the information to duplicate the
test is made available to the scientific community. However, a commercial
laboratory's entire testing protocol would have to be redesigned each
time a new marker test is added and this is an expensive procedure.
Companies have to standardize what they offer or they would "go
broke" very fast. |
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Here are links to results of two people who "Y" DNA tested with more than one company (some markers require adjustments due to different reporting conventions): |
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(1) Easy to read chart by person who "Y" DNA tested with three different companies: |
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(2) More complicated chart by person who tested with many companies: |
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13.
What else should I know? |
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<> Your full name and other private information will never appear on our public websites. |
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<> If you have a sensitive situation, we will discuss this with you privately to find a solution that works for you and the project. |
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<> When results are in, the project administrator will upload data to Ysearch. You will be notified of your Ysearch ID and pass code. |
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<> Your kit number, results, surname variation, project member number and YSearch ID will appear on our public results page. |
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<> Your known lineage information for direct paternal line is required for project participation. If you are new to genealogy we may be able to help you with this. You may join if you are adopted and have the surname. You may join if you have a different surname but believe your Y-DNA line may be from a project surname variation. |
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<> Be sure to read about False
Paternal Events (found on our DNA topics page). There is
always a chance there was an unknown adoption, infidelity, etc. in
the past. That is why it is desirable to have two or more males who
are distant cousins tested for each known line to prove the line to
a common male ancestor and establish the genetic identification of
that line. If you know that you, or an earlier ancestor with your
surname, were adopted into the family, you do NOT want to participate
in a project for your legal surname because you carry a different
Y chromosome. |
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<> Results take several weeks. They
can take longer if reruns are required. You may receive partial results
at different times. |
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<> This is the beginning of a long-term
project. If you don't have a paper trail to an established DNA line,
you may have to wait for many more participants before you have a
match. It is possible you might never get a match. No matter what
happens, your results - and ancestry information - are contributing
to a database that will assist family researchers now and in the years
to come. (For example, a future descendant of yours who lost track
of his family history might test 50 years from now and match to you.
You may not be around to enjoy this - but it will be quite a thrill
for him!) |
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14.
I want to do it. What do I do next? |
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(1) First, be sure to read the
FAQs found on this page
(2) Next, read about 'False Paternal Events'
(follow link)
(3) Order the test at the below JOIN CODE link.
If you have more questions: Email
Georgia .
The JOIN CODE links you directly with FAMILY
TREE DNA, allows you to order the test at the GROUP
RATE, and adds you to the project. You can use credit card or invoice
method (return payment with sample). If you can afford it, order at
least 37 markers. Once you have joined the project, we will follow
up with information about DNA testing and obtain your ancestry information
for the project.
When your order has been confirmed by FTDNA, see the Welcome & Links page link (also below). If you do not hear from a project co-administrator within seven days, it means we are traveling and do not have easy access to our email.
ENGLISH surname (and ENGLIS, INGLISH, INGLIS) DNA project JOIN CODE (Group rate): http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=C72164
Georgia Bopp's Welcome & Links (offsite)- read this after you order:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gkbopp/DNA/LINKS_English.htm
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* END NOTE |
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<>When you test, your results will
be a series of numbers (markers, allele values). This set of numbers
is called a haplotype. A haplotype, or genetic haplotype, is often
referred to as a DNA "fingerprint" or "signature."
However, be assured that there is a big difference between a real
fingerprint and the project's Y test result. Generally speaking, a
real fingerprint is unique to an individual (no two are alike) and
can be used to identify that individual. The project's Y test result
is not unique to an individual. Several persons from different lines
can come up with exactly the same results - in fact, we hope they
do! |
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<>In addition to terms such as haplotype
you will also see other terms: DYS#, STR, locus/loci, scores, alleles/allele
values, and more. You don't need to know what these all mean to take
the test and/or understand the results of the test. |
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<> These questions address surname studies using Y-DNA. For more information about other types of genetic genealogy tests such as mtDNA, SNP (deep clade, deep ancestry, anthrogenealogy), autosomal, and "ethnic ancestry" DNA tests, see Georgia Bopp's DNA Project Notes (offsite) and the web site of the ISOGG - International Society of Genetic Genealogy (offsite). |
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[G.K. Bopp - 18 Feb 2004] |
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Thank you to J. Kenney, our own personal
geneticist, and my husband, T.Bopp (Professor of Chemistry), for help
in answering the more technical questions. Some FAQs adapted, with
permission, from the Blair surname project Website. [G.K. Bopp] |
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Additional INFORMATION & RESOURCES on our
LINKS page. |